Aydin Aghdashloo

Audio of the Entire Interview

Interview Transcript

Part01


I was born in Rasht on 1319

and have been in there till 1330

I’m from a migrant Caucasian family

my father, “Mohammad Beik Hajiov”

who chose the surname “Aghdashloo” then

because of the place we lived in, in Caucasus

“Aghdash”, a small town between Baku and Ganja

he had to move to Iran after the bolshevik revolution

Because in a short period, caucasus was supposed to get independence

the Musavat party was formed

my father was interior minister in that government

but it didn’t take so long, because Lenin and then Stalin regreted it

they took all the lands back

they had list of non-bolsheviks, my father was on top of the list

they wanted to execute him

so he passed Aras river and came to Iran nghtly by horse

In Iran he was very welcomed
and they were so kind to him

He became the specialist at ministry of roads

He was roads and urban engineer, graduated from Berlin

Though he had no certificate by his side at that time,
but Iran they accepted him in Reza Shah era

And he began his career as an engineer in Iran

He worked in several cities,
In Khorramdarre, in Qazvin…

Many of bridges in north were made by my father in those days

Such as Manjil bridge

When he was working in Rasht (which he stayed in for the rest of his life)

I was born in there

I’m the only child of the family,
the other children did’nt survive

And…

We lived in Rasht while my father was alive

So I’m a very strange mix of Turk and Rashti

and sometimes I say as a joke: “I’m involved in any jokes”

but I’m really pleased with both of my origins

we used to speak Turkish at home

sometimes my parents spoke Russian
whenever they did’nt want me to understand

after a while

I tried to correct my accent

Because in those days I had a very mixture accent of Turkish and Gilaki

after we moved to Tehran, in the first day of school

the Ghaem Magham school, in Saadi street

It was middle of the semester when I entered the school

in literature class

the teacher asked me to read a passage

and I began to read, then everybody in that class started laughing
because of my strange accent

I got so upset

then I decided to speak persian better than anyone else

Let’s go further back

my family were living in a little house when I was born

that kind of houses with a big yard and some appartements around it

and every appartement were belong to someone

the yard was a place for children of families to play in

and there was a very beautiful pomegranate tree,
a fig tree full of fruits

at the fruit season, we never got off the tree

the families were from different classes

we were stranger among them, on our own class

because my father were graduated from university of Moscow,
and then Berlin university

with a high score

he spoke in five languages

however, Iran was the best place to go for him

he wasn’t that much welcomed in any other countries

but he got so alone in Iran

his most friends were the Russians who had scaped from Caucasus

my mother was from a royal family

she was Bahman Mirza Ghajar’s granddaughter, he was
Nasereddin Shah’s uncle

and the son of Abbas Mirza

they use to live in Caucasus too

because Bahman Mirza had a claim for throne

and Russia kept him in Gharabagh to frightened Nasereddin Shah

therefor my mother’s family were in Caucasus

one of my father’s jobs was buying stuff for the Musavat Party, from Tabriz

in one of his trips, he saw my mother

then they got married and moved to Caucasus

so my mother’s family were so prideful…

…and arrogant

though they were stranger in a foriegn land,

but still had that pride

just like most royal families

all of family members of my mother’s father

were all important millitary martials in russian government

my mother’s surname was Khan Nakhjavan,

and Khan Nakhjavans were all military martials

they had been to Iran, in Reza Shah era, and the Mohammadreza Shah era
and they became so important in Iran

such as general Ahmad Khan Nakhjavan

all in all, take all what I said

and imagine this family in Rasht

in a small house , in afakhra alley

with a normal salary

it was a tough life

though my father was lonely and sad,

but was a good dad for me

the only origin of what all I am today, is my father

he was an architecture,

he was good at drawing and taught me as well

also he was a great cartoonist

he used to read poets for me

he always walked around and read Shahname for me

moving his hands… and I was really impressed by him

he was such a modern Ferdowsi in jail, in his so called story

the first time he took me to a painting class

and I saw Habib Mohammadi,
who became teacher of Bahman Mohasses later

I met Mohasses at my seven, for the first time in Rasht

Habib Mohammadi was an impressionist painter
who had come back from Russia recently

it was so exciting for me to watch his paintings

I was really touched

also my father had a painter friend, called Rassam

whom was a bilboard writer and painter as well

the first painting which caught me

was a large sized painting, Rassam were copying
of a Macke’s painting of Reza shah’s coronation

a really magnificent painting of Reza Shah on his throne with a flag in hand

Rassam was copying it

as I saw that painting, I got shocked,
and I was like “is it really possible?”

well it was in real size

my father mostly went to Rassam’s workshop after work

and sometimes my mother sent me to call him back home

I had to find him

she sent me out saying: “go find your dad.”

and one of his most going places were Rassam’s workshop

in Pahlavi St.

and when I went to call him

I got impressed by Rassam’s paintings, and forgot to take dad home

so I got familiar with painting in those days

my mother moved to Tehran because of a surgery, when I was 5

so I lived in my aunt’s house for a while

 

my cousin says someday I drew a portrait of their young maid,
at the age of 5

I’m not saying that I was genius or incredible,

but I mean something different had begun in me

as they said my drawing was so realistic,
unlike the paintings of other kids at that age

they could recognise the young girl in the drawing

everyone was saying this boy is a painter,
and my aunt jokingly said you should be a painter

then something started in my head,
and I decided to become a painter

so I took it seriously, and practiced days and nights

my father encouraged me a lot

I also owe the literary background of works to my dad

when he was in Tehran, he sent me some books

some of those books were so difficult to understand for a kid at that age

one of them was “Alef-an-Nahaar”

it was written like “One thousand and one night”

and had a really complex translation of Mozaffar ad-Din Shah’s era

he had sent me this book and because it was including short stories

it was so interesting for me to read

but I coudln’t understand most of it

each story ended like

“they reached each other, and lived a lifetime happily together…

…until “Hadem Al-Lazzat” came and ended their story.”

I sent a letter to my father asking what is the Hadem Al-Lazzat?

and he wrote back: “this is death”

means something which annihilates all pleasures

perhaps years later when I was working
on my collection named “Memories of Annihilation”

I was kind of inspired by that book, which I still own

I used to ask most questions of my dad

though he was not persian, but really liked persian language

I’m one of the rarest among the intellectuals of my generation,
who has read both Shahname and Quran completely

most of them are relegious and obviously have read Quran

but I wasn’t from that kind of background
and have done it thanks to my dad

when my dad was familiarized me with literature

it was not only persian literature and Quran

but also he used to read Pushkin’s poems in russian

I remember he used to read Pushkin’s fantastic poem,
“Eugene Onegin”

I couldn’t understand at all

but I was really impressed by it’s rythm

and I still believe the russian language
is one of the best sounding languages I’ve ever heard

so I owe my father whatever I have

and it’s a pity I couldn’t learn more

when we moved here, my father’s bookcase
was the only thing we brought

including 30 to 40 books which I still have in my bookcase

sometimes I look at them and see they are
in french, in russian, in english, and in german

and turkish, his first language

and persian which he could speak hardly

and I always think if he could live longer I could be a more useful person

so it was my childhood, not too bad and not very good

we had tough days sometimes, my father had an average salary

my mother was really thrifty

we were living in a house with no TV nor telephone

we celebrated the day we owned electricity in the building

we went to the breads to have some

when we got hungry,
my mother said: “it’s enough, you had some recently.”

just that simple

my father got ill later, moved to Tehran and died in Tehran

during those two years we lived in my aunt and her husband’s house in Tehran

my aunt’s husband was Abbas Bijarchi,
a really good man

he was a perfect person

I remember he told me the news of dad’s death to me, I was just 11

to tell my mother

and I didn’t know how to do

as told told her, she started to cry

it was a big responsibility to me, at the age of 11

after 24 hours I got out and hugged that fig tree and cried a lot

as a child I realized that I have responsibilities

Part02


after we moved to Tehran, I went to primary school and then high school

my high school was “Jam”, in Gholhak

my mother always rented small houses near the school

It had to be balanced with my father’s salary

she was a…

…strong woman

and never accepted any aids

even while we were living in my aunt’s house

though they were so kind to us

my aunt’s husband used to by me the clothes
same as their children every new year

but my mother always were willing to repay their kindness

so she ironed their clothes everytime

and anything else she was able to do

she was a tough woman

she was thin outside, but so strong inside

she grew me up hardly, but prideful

I hadn’t sold any paintings till my 14

I had a bookcase at those ages

including about 200 books

I didn’t like their covers, so I started designing new covers for them

somehow It could be the origin of my design career

once my aunt took me to Abbas Katoozian

because she could see my talent and ineterst

Katoozian took a look at my works, then at myself

then said: “this kid is going to be a painter.”

my aunt asked how come?

and he said because there is the light of art in his eyes

I don’t know if does this light exist or not, but he could see something

I got so happy but suddenly he said I never teach boys

and he was right

that’s why after I started teaching, I accept even the worst male students

because I remember how sad I got that moment

I owe my aunt

then she took me to an armenian painter named Tigran Bazil, in Forsat street

he was a professional oil painter

but no one knew him, and no one does nowadays

and I’ve been his student for 1.5 years

he was so funny and ineteresting

once I was painting a portrait of Gregory Peck,
for a cinema high sign in his workshop

I still remember the movie’s name

the sailor of seven seas… or something like this

I was painting that of a small picture

he came and took a look at my painting
at me and the small picture in my hand

then said: “Aydin, don’t come to this class anymore.”
I said why not sir?

he said: “what more you want to learn? go and work for yourself…

…you are a painter now.”

I was like am I?

he said: “in my opinion you are.”

and that was my last painting class

then I kept on oild painting, ‘cuz I was Bazil’s student

until my cousin’s rich husband, Mr. Mahmoudi

came to me and said paint something for me

there is a gerat painting, I go to see everytime I travel to London

a Velasquez’s painting in London National Gallery

everytime I go to London

that was It he wanted me to copy

he asked can you do it? I said Yes

then I painted it so well

he liked it a lot and paid me 40 tomans

it was a big money at that time

that was the first painting I sold, but after that I began to sell more

and gave 40 tomans to my mom

I began to earn money by selling paintings

I’ve never been a good student at school

because I believed everything except art and literature was useless

so I loved my art and the literature teachers

and I had bad scores in any other fields

F in algebra, G in Geometry…

that was such a weird school

with any kind of students

the rich, local people…

rich people of Tehran had found Qolhak as the country

and Zargande as well

and some were from the Qolhak village

the headman of Qolhak was selected by embassy of UK

and the headman of Zargandeh was selected by Russian embassy

and the headman was so cruel to people of older generations

there were some sportsmen in that school, and some bullies

and some were so intellectual and artist

in those days in Qolhak I had chance to meet many of important people

such as Parviz Fannizadeh, Ali Golestaneh, Abbas Kiarostami, AliAkbar Sadeghi

a new generation of artists were from that school

some were always fighting, some had personal drivers,
and some tried not to pass the exams more and more

there was a boy named Akbar Maleki on 6th grade

and he was 25

in that strange place, we all had fully respect

no one ever bullied us

I drew about 30 portraits for those bullies,
of their father , the girl they’ve been in love with…

I had to draw, otherwise they could hit me

I had no way

so that generation startet growin

Dr. velayati who became minister later, was our classmate

and I’ve always admired him respectfully

because when he became minister,
he gave our history teacher -the one who made me love history- a post in ministry

he repaid his helps

that group of students were so popular

also Parviz Kardan was there

we played theaters, holded painting exhibitions…

Akbar Sadeghi were always the winner, and I was runner up

our teachers were so inspiring for us

Mr. Moein Afshar who still lives at the age of 90

he always admires painting, he was a violin player

Mr. Homayoun was a writer and then a great archaeologist

once Jalal Moghaddam came to our class, he became a filmmaker later

he stood by the window and stared at the yard

and asked who is painter among you?

and every one pointed at me

he turned back, looked at me, I was bald in an old suit
and a face bleeding of fights, and a thorned collar

he asked are you a painter? and I said yes sir

then he asked you know anything about painting or you just paint?

I said I know sir

he asked what is the difference between DeGas and Luthrec

I knew both, I had copied their paintings

I said I don’t know sir

he said it’s simple, Luthrec uses more lines, but Degas’s paintings are more volumetric

and I suddenly realized that painting is not only about drawing,
but also it’s including some meanings

and I didn’t know that! that was such an important moment of my life

just like the day I was copying a Dela Crois’s painting in aunt’s house

a young man -guest of my aunt- was watching me from the beyond of the window

came in an said you are painting, I said yes

said what are you painting?
and I said it’s Dela Crois’s painting

he said exelent! so you are copying, arn’t you?
I said yes

he said don’t copy anymore.
I said so what sould I do?

he said I’ll write you what to do, I’m going to Geneve tommorow

he sent me a letter after one month, and that letter became so important in my life

he had written what painting could be

his name was Dariush Shayegan

and these two moments were the reasons
I looked at the painting in the way of philosophy, history, etc.

Part03


When I was in high school I needed money

one of my classmates came to me and said I read somewhere they need graphic designer

it was not “graphic designer at that time,
it was called advertisement painter

graphic became common thanks to Morteza Momayyez and Ghobad Shiva

I got there, behind the ferdosi shopping center. I was just 16

they looked at me and said what do you want? I said I’m here to work

they said do you paint? I said yes

Mr. Monshi was there, a great man

he gave me a pencil and a paper and a picture to draw, and said draw it

it was a picture in a magazine, a couple were making love on a boat

I sat there and began drawing

he took the drawing in a room

minutes later a young man came out and asked did youn paint this?
I said yes

and told Mr. Monshi employ him

that young man was Masoud Behnam,
who became a famous painter later, and lived the rest of his life in the US

and they employed me at the moment

I said what should I do now? they said come to work every day

I said I go to school, and they replied you can come afternoons

then every day at 2:30 pm I got out of school,
ate my mom’s handmade sandwich on bus

and went to work, and worked untill 9 pm

the first time they paid me, I got surprised! it was 300 tomans

I asked how many months is it for? he said It is for one month

and I got extremely happy

went home and gave all money to my mother

that was the moment I started my career as a graphic designer at the age of 16

and stayed graphic designer until 1370

graphics became a way for me to earn money

I was just a designer at first, then I did other works

then we create a company, later another one

and graphics became my main job

I was getting rich more and more

I designed for school books, with its money
I traveled to London for the first time

I got rich with graphics

I went around the world

at the age of 18 I entered the University of Tehran and I was really happy

I thought I can find the answer of all questions in there

then I realized it is not enough to answer all my questions

I was so curious and active, I was really good in english at that age

to read english books

I had more questions

I stayed in university for 6 years

then I wrote a letter to Houshang Seyhoon, the head of faculty

saying this faculty is so old in planning and studies, it is still on 19th century of France

and because I couldn’t find my answers in here, I’d better leave

I came in University on 1338, and left on 1344

at that time I thought I know more than my teachers and I was better than them

well, that was not true

our teachers were Mr. Heydarian, Mr. Hamidi,
Mr. Javadipour, Mrs. Behjat Sadr, and Mohsen Vaziri Moghaddam lately

all of them had returned from abroad recently, except Heydarian

they had so much to teach

in real painting I just respectful to Heydarian’s works
and Keykhosro Khoroosh

who is a great painter

two of the most famous portraits of Ayatullah Khomeyni
and Khameneyi was painted by him

he was our classmate, and the favorite of Heydarian

and gave him all of his art, because Khoroosh was ready to learn all

I thought those teachers were modernists of 50’s but I was 70’s

and all they were teaching was so old fashion in my opinion

in the 70’s Andy Warhole and his Pop-Art were common in the world

but it was unknown in our university, they were teaching Piccaso’s cubism

I’m not saying that they didn’t know what was going on in the world, but they were in their own generation

however, now I look back they were really good

I owe them

not becuase of what they tought me, but because of their existnace

after cultural revolution and fireing all good teachers

the lack of their existance showed up

and it had a massive effect in a long time

all the teachers, and lately Vaziri Moghaddam,
were trying to modernize the educational system

but hadn’t enough power

and the most modern of them were Behjat Sadr and Vaziri Moghaddam

and now I look back and see they were the best painters of Iran’s modern art

they inspired other painters such as Gholamhossein Nami, Mohammad Ebrahim Jafari

and other next generations of painters

but I wasnt belong to there

and I did the best to leave it

but the best thing I did without knowing

was the fact I didn’t become a modernist painter

I’m not in any specific category in Iran art history

because I’m not a modernist painter, not surrealist nor realist

I always say jokingly I’m an indipendent painter

though painting was outside the university for me, but university had effects

its library was amazing

history of art was important to me

because the history teachers always tought history so academic and made me hate it

and I had to read art history again and I realized it is something different

meeting students around affected me a lot

those friendships

the conversations about art

fightings on art

the friendships I had with Golestaneh, Momayyez…

I’m not saying that university was bad

not even the educational system

it’s all about what you earn something from somewhere

my students ask if should they go to university or not

and I answer I’m not good role model for you, ‘cuz I left university in last year

but if you go, you wont regret it

because just maybe you can find a teacher and learn from him

and also the atmosphere will help you, either your classmates

when I left, everyone got rid of me

then I began working for myself

I was an anarchist and angry student

somehow annoying

I was so proud of my painting and speeching skills

sometimes I could convince others eventhough I wasn’t right

I still got that, I still do it

I had a friend, named Ali Asghar Mohtaj

he was a great painter and the became a great graphic designer

and later he worked for Tamasha and Soroush magazines,
until retirement

he has written a book about those years of university

an amazing book which never released

because of the words and phrases I always used which are in that book

when I read this book, I got really happy

and I remembered all my forgatten years

I recoverd myself in fact

so if anybody wants to know more about those years of that faculty, must read that book

Part04


I didn’t attend the classes during the last years of university

because I had several jobs to do

one of those jobs which so effected on my life
was working with Andishe va Honar magazine

it had a cultural part and a political/economic part

the second part were always written by the owner of magazine,
Dr. Nasser Vosughi

he was such a stranger man, he had always been ready to hear new ideas,
he always took risks

they had an announcement saying that they needed
someone to write in cultural part

one of my friends, Shamim Bahar wanted to go for it

and started his job as writer in that magazine

well he was so good in english, he was really a genius, he still is

whenever I say his name, he gets upset for a month

he asked me to join him for writing art critics
and translating poems and english essays

and I did

the magazine released for two years and became so common

we had two special release, one for Jalal AleAhmad and the other for Ahmad Shamloo

I had a good interview with AleAhmad at my 22

the first things I wrote were critics actually

but then I wrote about more things,
such as history, art history

and I kept on it

not as much as after revolution, but it was a start point

in that time I realized I could write about other issues as well

at that age, I found some big mistakes in AleAhmad’s book

well it seemed so rude and disrespectful,
and AleAhmad got mad at me

eventhough he always liked my writings

in the meeting for interview he told me:
“you the one who writes about painting and stuff?”

and this sentence was a glory to me, that showed he reads my writings

and I was really proud of it

despite my generation who have seen AleAhmad, understood him , and liked him

such as Sirous Tahbaz, Reza Baraheni, Eslam Kazemiyeh, there is so many of them

AleAhmad was mad at me because of that disrespect

and he never talked to me again until his death

but his wife was always kind to me

but after the revolution, intelectuals started to reject him, and his works

I was the only one who stayed faithful to him

though in many speeches about AleAhmad I pointed at his mistakes

but I always liked him

I always say he was a great man, with big mistakes
but these mistakes don’t make him small

I was imagining several days ago, if he could still live

he would touch her mustache and say:
“look at these people, they were supposed to save my name…

…but this boy did it.”

well why not?

I was getting known as a writer smoothly

specially after the essay about AleAhmad

I found my place

despite what Baraheni wrote about me in Ferdosi magazine

it was totally disrespect to me, in support of AleAhmad

look, when you get my age, you will understand nothing is that important

when you are calm, which I am

fame, disrespecs all are not that important

Dr. Baraheni who attacked at 22 years old me in his writing

he should have allowed me to write my opinion and then corrected me

but he has changed during the time, I have too

but his changes were in the way,
he presented me later one of his most beautiful poems, “Daf”

I believe this is his best poem after the revolution

Hannibal AlKhas called me before dying to meet him, he was ill

and told me: “Aydin forgive me, I have said bad things about you everywhere.”

and all it was because our differences in thoughts
I hadn’t done anything bad to him personally

just like bordering the relegious do

they draw a line between themselves and the others,
it makes easier everything for them

I told him don’t mention it, you just had your opinions based on your thought

he was just saying : “it’s late, it’s late…” repeatedly

and I was like no sir It’s not late, you have a long way

and he died one week later

or Mr. Ebtehaj

he had been mad at me for a long time, again because of those thoughts

someday I got a call, and someone said:
Mr. Ebtehaj wants to see you and have a Rashti food with you

he hugged me, he kissed me, showed me some old photos

had dinner together

so you see these are not so important, life goes on

in fact I entered the literature of my generation

and this was so imortant in my life

I had been painter, but after the Andishe Va Honar, I was known as a writer as well

but I had a background in literature, I had written before

I had a book of poems, written in my 14

now Abbas Kiarostami has that book,
and knows all those poems by heart

despite they are childish poems. and it’s kind of him to me and his memory

I had a big bookcase at the age of 18

I really liked history

I had my first conference about Hakhamaneshi art on 8th grade in school

none of these are signs of being genius

but these are signs of a life in a small yard in Afakhra alley in Rasht,
with friends to play with, and a father to learn from, and a good mother

and I suddenly was supposed to take all my responsibilities by myself

I did everything and took everyhing I could to learn

I really liked reading, but didn’t have money to buy books

my cousin says when they sent me to buy meat,
the butcher always placed the meat in the newspaper

and once my aunt and my cousin saw me, walking slowly amd reading that newspaper

I used to read everything! I mean it, everything

these are signs of such a person like this, and I’m not special at all

everyone in my generation was like this

such as Mohammad Ali Sepanlou

I was curious about everything

Sepanloo was a writer, translator, poet and acted in films lately

or Shamim Bahar was just a writer, and still is

Ahmadreza Ahmadi is just a poet, and have been writing novels recently

I wasn’t like this, I really wanted to know about everything

despite my interests, I used my time and learned about everything

I was poet, writer, I had written about Iranian art history, before the university

the most important was an essay about importance of color in Iranian painting

I have written the biggest difference between Iranian
paintings in its glory age and the other countries, was color

and it was a big discovery at that age

I was interested in archaeology

I began collecting the old handwritings since I was 18

then I became specialist at islamic arts

and each of them was enough

I wrote the first criticism about painting, alongside Simin Daneshvar and some others

if anybody wants to write something about
the start of writing painting reviews, they should write about my collection of reviews


most of them are so bitter, I don’t write like that anymore

even if somebody is upset of my seccuss, or myself, or even my existance, and wants to deny it

it’s ok, but mostly my name is siad, I will be there

AleAhmad always liked my writings, I was inspired by him in writing

once Mr. Azarang told I have my specific writing style,

I’ve been in all of these, so I’ve been in contemporary culture of Iran

Part05


that was not like, as I left the university it happened to me

it had happened to me before

and I always did other works during my studies, works such as graphic designing

and later it became my income source and main job

the time I was working for several companies as a graphic designer

we were called advertisement painter

I was getting experienced to get indipendent

it took a long time

I worked in Mr. bahrami’s workshop for a while

then created a logo design company with one of my friends

it was so funny that we could hate art,
because there was a store near our company, called art

they had someone to invite people to buy stuff

and he yelled “art” 500 times per days

it was about 1342

on 15th of khordad we were working

and suddenly saw many people are yelling and running

they were escaping from the army soldiers

there were many workshops in our building

the poeple hide in there and then slowly got out

it was the time I was learning so much, Mr. Buyuk Ahmari was with us

he was older than us and had alot of knowledge about everything

I learned a lot from all these people

I corrected the problems of my color water painting

he used to paint water color sometimes, I stood behind him and watched.

he said jokingly:”whenever you teach my son
some new words, I will learn you water color painting.”

and teaching some new words to his son was really hard, but I had to do

after a while we moved to a bigger company called Clichograph, but it didn’t work well

Mr. Ahmariwas so hot-tempered, he was an amazing artist

I’ve been respectful to him, and he liked me too

years ago I went to meet him when he got ill

he couldn’t recognise anybody

his wife told me: “Ahmari always liked you.”

and collected whatever was related to you

and I was so proud that he was proud of me

then her wife called him loudly

then said: “Aydin has come.”

Ahmari looked at me and called my name, then he got back to his usual situation

and his wife later said during the time he was sick,
which was too long, he alwas drew in the air with his fingers

we fell apart

Mr.Ahmari stopped graphic design

he opened a workshop in Manoochehri St
and took students to teach traditional arts to them

but I began working with Mohammad Bahrami

he had a big company called Gothenberg Publications

and a graphic workshop and I worked in there

they had been working before us

after Mr. Ahmari left, I became the head of workshop

with a salary about 2500 tomans

I kept working in graphics

till one of my ad writer friends, Ebrahim Torbati

told me: “there is an advertisement company,
which want me to work with, and I told them I will work if Aydin joins us too.”

I asked Mr. Bahrami to leave to be more indipendent, and he allowed me

and we made that company actually, named “Gaam” in Bahar St.

and next to it there was “Tabligh Film”

Bijan Jazani worked in it

I liked him a lot

he used to paint and collected those paintings in his table

whenever I was bored I went to Tabligh Film

and Jazani showed me his paintings

during all those years I went there to meet friends

Bijan never talked about his political side

he didn’t use this side everywhere

I knew many left-wings unlike him, who always talked about their political thoughts

I really liked him, and the they I heard about
his execution was one of the worst days of may life

I was so comfortable in there, there was me, Hojat Shakiba had come recently

it was on those years I took painting more serious

one of those paintings was one which I inspired from Botticelli’s painting

after work, I always stayed there and began painting on my desk

that’s how I could paint some paintings and held my first exhibition
in Iran-America society, on 1354 or 52

so my serious painting career began in my graphic workplace

It was a succesful exhibition,
no one had seen that accurate paintings

art about art was unknown in that time of Iran

they were asking how is it possible to make changes in another one’s painting

and make it yours

It is not still common

they stil write in their websites his paintings are like someone else’s

obviously it is!

I was known as a graphic designer as well

I was contemporaneous with some great artists

such as Morteza Momayyez, Ghobad Shiva, Katoozian

there were about 10 good graphoc desiners at that time, and I was one of them

but I wasn’t that pro

becasue I always prefered painting tp graphics, unlike Momayyez

he was a good painter, but always pefered graphics

and then painting faded away slowly

It was the same for Ghobad Shiva and Farshid Mesghali

but I was waiting behind the door of painting, and it took so long to open

after the exhibition I became a famous painter

but It took a long time

Part06


in my work as a Graphic designer-Painter,
graphic was my main income source

but also some other things were happening to me

I bought the first old calligraphy at the age of 18

It was Asadollah Shirazi’s handwriting,
the calligrapher of FathAli Shah’s era

it was in Mostofi’s book store

it had an eye catching color

a beautiful chocolate brown

I went to buy it, Mr. Mostofi said it costs 100 tomans. and as I bought it,
I fell in a circle of buying these things

I have an almost complete of old calligraphies

when I bought them, they were all fragment and rupture, because they were cheap

I coudln’t buy expensive ones

but I repaired and cleaned the cheap ones

then drew borders for them , and gilded them.
and it was the tim I started gilding

I repaired the gilded parts and renew them

and I learned gilding

no one could do it like me

then calligraphy got important to me
and I got familiar with it in this way

different types and styles, different masters

I found out about their differences

I was crazy about the calligraphy

and with no porpuse I got specialist of old calligraphies

I always wanted to do calligraphy, but never did

once I was with Mohammad Ehsayi

he was calligraphing, I told him this is not that hard. he said you sure?

he gave me the pen and said write

I told him give me a model to write. and he wrote Hafez

and I wrote the same. he got shocked and asked: “how did you learn this? and I told this is my first time

and I didn’t know it will be the last one too

but then I learned to write by brushes

later I found out I’m not the only one who does it by brush

such as Esmayil Jalayer

he was the father of modern calligraphy of Iran

he used pen for drawing them, and then filled them using brushes

I wrote a “Hamd” in two years, and gilled it

all calligraphers are crazy about this work

I gifted it to my son, and he said “you have it for now.” of course he meant till my death

all my love to Iranian traditional art, began from that old calligraphy

It was like I am responsible to add to add something to them
and make it better than before

I did it

Part08

the museum was supposed to get openned by
the King and the Queen, during a big ceremony

Nahavandi PhD., the assistant of the queen was planning the programs

and he was kind to me in any art programs

there was a meeting with Kamran Diba, Mr. Nahavandi and me

and there were so many plans on papers on the table

Kamran explained the programs to Mr. Nahavandi,
and never looked at me during his speaking

then I said it’s not possible, he asked why?

and I answered because you’re giving 7 galleries
to the foriegn artists, and only 2 to Iranians

Kamran said what’s the problem?

I said Iranian painters had been waiting for a museum
to show the great painters’ paintings

we had not a museum even for Kamallolmolk yet

the only museums for a specific artists were two
museums for Ali Akbar Sanati

two small museums for his sculptures

I said: “It’s not possible, the name of museum is “Tehran museum of contemporary art”

Diba said: “Like It or lump It!”

I said: “this kind of openning will lead to Iranian
artists’ objection, and they will boycott this museum.”

he turned to Dr. Nahavandi again,
and Dr. Nahavandi said:”Ok, I should counsel the queen first.”

well Kamran Diba was so near to queen

he wasn’t only her cousin, but also a good friend

there was also Darab Diba as a cousin,
but he was on his own all the time

and he never went to the palace

that’s why he still is working as a teacher even after the revolution

Kamran Diba suddenly said: “I will talk to the King.”
and Nahavndi answered: “you can’t do it.”

he asked why, and Nahavandi said: “because firstly you should
make an appointment through Mr. Moeinian, and It will take a long time.”

we made another meeting a few days later,
and in the new plan, Iranian artists had more parts

after that time, the museum became so active and spiritted

with a big part of photography, graphic arts, and different exhibitions

not for Iranian artists mostly, but they used to hold
big exhibitions of great artists

and mostly they imported masterpieces, not export

because Kamran had respect to foriegner artworks more than Iranian ones

and maybe he was right, but we were all Iranians,
and we should have been kind to eachother

It wasn’t supposed to be a branch of New York museum of modern art

somehow we were all branches of everything all over the world,
but It shouldn’t have been the same for the museum too

the westernized thoughts of Diba helped
to collect this great collection of masterpieces

however, It was an unkindness to Iranian contemporary artists

at that time, and lalso later after the revolution

and still there is no museum for any conteporary artist

Sohrab Sepehri! I’m not saying that he was better than Mohasses, but he is more famous

none of them got a museum

but Sanati’s museum still stays on

It was kind of mismanagement! they tried to build museums
for after revolution artists

but none of them had been managed so well,
such as Emam Ali museum

they never had best artworks in

same as Shohada, Enghelab…

they have never had enough audience

the problem with Tehran museum of contemporary art
is that it have never been a museum

It has been a gallery instead

the other museums in the world have galleries as well,
but It’s like %90 for the museum, and just %10 for the gallery

but in period of some managers, such as Alireza SamiAzar,
they have shown the best masterpieces

I have been present in the contemporary culture of Iran

before the revolution, this presence had been accepted by the government

had been discovered, had been accepted

they gave me the chance to open some important museums

I was government’s favorite, which I realized then It’s not about my popularity

It was not about my knowledge, my management, nor my efficiency

It was all about using people like me as a cover, to get hidden behind us

unworthy people like Pahlbod, used us to cover their corruption

I was young, and didn’t understand It

and then after the revolution

that they stopped using us, because they didn’t need us, nor want us

It was funny to hear that some artists said: “they asked me back!”

they never asked anybody back after the revolution

because they didn’t need anybody

they thought they had all they needed

and that caused drawing borders

Part09


the name of Reza Abbasi museum was my suggestion

because I believe he is one our legendary painters

and I was hopping to show the Abbasi’s paintings in it

during the openning I asked everybody to borrow Reza Abbasi’s paintings

and they all rejected, for example Golestan Palace,
which had two paingings, just in the style of Abbasi

It was the same after the revolution

none of Reza Abbasi’s paintings were in the museum,
so the name of the museum never makes sense

the name of Glassware and Ceramic museum of Iran were also chosen by me

these two mueseums had similarities, both of them had a building which was not for a museum

unlike the Tehran museum of temporary art

which Kamran Diba had an inspiration of building
of Guggenheim museum in designing it

a long stairway

but Kamran had added windcathers so cleverly

It was supposed to place specific artworks in both of museums

and all of these artworks came from the store which
had been collected for the national museum

and all of these had been bought for the national museum
before I began my career in the museum

and we took the artworks into these two museums temporary,
untill the oppening of national museum

then we carried them to store of Reza Abbasi museum

 

Part10


during the revolution, I was still the
supervisor of Reza Abbasi museum

at that time all managers
of other museums

who mostly were
selected by the queen

were all her friends or relatives

they were good at their work,
though they somehow

didn’t familiar with people

though they were all good men,
but they had to be at that position

after revolution they got scared and
left Iran one by one

well during those days I was the
only one who still was going to museum

that was a museum and
I had to do my job

we prepared some metal guards for
the safety of Reza Abbasi musem

at that time I decided to
take my ex-wife to London

because she was a theater actress,
and It was obvious that

theater and cinema wont last anymore

when I was in London
the revolution won

Part11


as Hafez said: “It was all vain try
with me and my heart.”

but It did work in some cases

for example, almost all of museums
got repaired after the revolution

and stayed open

these were It’s good result

Kamran Diba can affirm this too

and also Firooz Shirvanloo
if he was alive

Shirvanloo got fired from his post
as same as me after the revolution

but no revolution can take
anybody’s situation

Stalin didn’t like Bulgakov,
and didn’t let him work

sometimes he thought his
White Guard theater was good

and let him play

and after a while
again stopped the play

The Master and Margarita book released
after Bulgakov’s

and Stalin’s death

but Bulgakov has still his validity

New Entry 34

Bulgakov was not an opposition

The master and Margarita, my all time
favorite book is not anti communism

he talks about corruption of humans

he was against It,
not only the communism

no one is able to take It off him

that book is always Bulgakov’s
no matter whenever released

and Shirvanloo was the same

no one will forget him

but “It was all vain” means

I helped so many to get scholarships

the daughter of one of painters’s leg
had a problem

I asked the queen to take her to
another country for a surgery

some time ago I saw her walking and
running in Toronto

I got really happy

there was a painter with
problem in his eyes

I helped him to go to
Paris for a surgery

I’m not saying these to
show my kindness

these were just to balance my works

there were so many like these

but only these two were enough

just for two years

but the other side was so
much heavier

and It never got balanced

and is not yet

because I made wrong decisions

I believe if I hadn’t this job
in those two years

some museums would never been maid,
and some might had been

some would get scholarships,
some painters would get cured

some books would have released

yes these would happen

It’s so selfish if I say It never
would have happened without me

life goes by without me

I played my part with…

…so naivety

and actually I took a big risk

It wasn’t worth It

If you ask me: “It’s the
beginning of 1355…

and your’e going to Dr. Nahavandi’s
office, what would you say in there?”

I would say:

“I say damn you all, these are non of
my business…

…I should do my own business…

…I should save only my name.”

It was a irrecoverable mistake

I restitute some, with
works I had done

a lot of works for the culture
after the revolution

when 8 books of a painter get released

shows that he has done
something obviously

and I challenge everybody to
find mistakes in each of these books

whenever someone asked
me for any kind of help

I never rejected

as I said some of the best painters
of after revolution

and Islamic arts association
have always been my friends

I never used this position
to reach something

and I still don’t

I don’t know if I will or not

and I will leave whenever
It gets much harder

I’m always ready to leave

I got married on 1351

to Shohreh Vaziritabar

It was a good time

the time that I thought
will last forver

the time I thought will
cause a good result

I’m not saying I was wrong

but It was not the way I thought

not same as my expectations

but that other way
was still so pleasant to me

I mean the revolution

I have said this a lot that I was
not revolutionary

and sometimes I say revolution
happened to bring me down

I wasn’t the king

but I had been in
that government for two years

I became a better graphic designer
after the revolution

no one bought my paintings

and I had no income, I taught
in Al-Zahra unversity for a while

then I got fired after
the cultural revolution

worked with several companies
as graphic designer

one of them were a publication
called Faryab

they let me design
so freely on book covers

and my best graphic works
were at that time

then I designed posters for
Ali Hatami, Masoud Kimiayi

I didn’t work on ads

except logos, such as
logo of Parsian Bank

then I became a better painter

because I had time to paint more

I got experienced, and It
caused to better paintings

I got known as a painter
after the revolution

though I had no exhibitions

until the last year

but people could see my works in
group exhibitions

I got a better writer

I have written more than 1400 articles

and I have selected
almost 600 among them

I haven’t written many reviews

but I wrote about anything
I though I should write

art, archaeology…, etc.

these are all in these 8 books

so the revolution which was good
for some and bad for the others

personally was good for me and my work

I got better in anything I had done
before the revolution

except management, because I didn’t
asked for

and I thing It was good too

because those two years of
my management time

were too hard for me

and when the revolution
took that of me

so angrily

It was a favor to me in fact

because I gave all my
energy for the art

but I hadn’t painted more than

hadn’t write any articles

I couldn’t write my personal views

so I decided to not write

they stopped my TV show

that show was so helpful

we never had a show like
that about art anymore

the real famous Aydin Aghdashloo
belongs to the after revolution

in opposite of the thoughts of
all revolutionaries

who believed they had permissions
to bring everyone down

revolution gives this permission

but should it be
the same in a long time?

I don’t guess so

because I had read history

so I was just patient

I didn’t immigrate, I never cursed,
never got opposition

I just waited

I owe this not getting forgotten,
to the journalists who were kind to me

wrote about me
and reported my articles

I’m always grateful

Part12


I opened a painting class
after the cultural revolution

a friend told: “while you have nothing
to do, your students are the same.”

“open a class so they
can learn from you again.”

It was a good class, we started
with 6 students

but once It reached to 150

more than all painting students of
university of Tehran

It was a hard period for me

because I started a brand new career

I have a friend, who gave me a place
to hold the class

he found some place, and I rented It

he rented for me actually

and paid for next 6 months

and told me to pay him back
after 6 months

and I paid sooner

It was such a beautiful place
in Oskoo alley, Enghelab St.

next to Diana Cinema (Sepideh)

the class still stays on,
in somewhere else

that class became my
main income source

It was the tuition fee of the students

at that time I got divorced

then I met my next wife, Firoozeh

and we got married

and that marriage was so strange

because I had no money for
the ceremony and etc.

but somehow I reached the peace

my mother was still with me,
but I needed more support

-what year was that?-


-your second marriage-

and then my son was born on 1360

those years were so strange

among all of my skills,
teaching was the least

but I began my new
life with this skill

then I started graphic works

which was so needed

not only because It was an
income source, but also It was a way

to make my name not to get forgotten

not through holding exhibitions, nor
through selling artworks

but through painting on book covers

and It continued in other fileds

such as writing

I wrote my first article after
the revolution on the “Film Magazine”

and keep on painting more and more

but the class was so
important in a period


and It was really hard

two sessions, morning and afternoon,
and I put everything on teaching

history of art, painting,
everything about painting

traditional painting, water color,
oil color,gouache, pencil…

everything! I mean It

on those years It was kind of
a university Itself

and It was a good replace for
the closed universities

to remain these abilities

and don’t get destroyed

I had a room with a library

the house was in Niavaran St.

at the beginning of the semester
students paid their tuitions

cash

and the paper money was so small

at the end of the night

I brought the money out of the bag

and put them in certain rows


then counted them, and separated them
by marked papers

and looked at the rows

and I was like well I’ve worked and
It is my wage

once I was doing the same, and
my wife came in and saw me

I used to do It, when
everyone was asleep

she looked at me and said: “are you
counting money?” and I said yes

said:” why are you doing It yourself?
ask someone else to do It for you.”

well she couldn’t understand what was
happening during that action

I was touching my wage and feel It

separated and stored It

It was something special inside of me

later usual as all rumors and craps

about how rich I was

when I heard them I couldn’t say about
these story

but I laughed a lot in my heart

there was just a light bulb,
and rows of money

which I had earned by too much working

keeping the students who had no
interest in art,

and came to the class by
force of the parents

the ones who weren’t like this,
became great painters later

well the post-revolution period
had begun like this

with It’s all good and bad

in fact I didn’t see any disrespect

and I didn’t see any
special favor neither

and of course It was normal

and of course I should be thankful

New Entry 199

It’s nature of the revolution

I was equitable

and I am

but I always try to see
things correctly

because of my critical character

something began on those days and
never changed a lot during the time

and It was…

“denial”

although It was a great favor to me

but It hurt sometimes

I did different works, including those

since the revolution by now

New Entry 233

and that period passed like this

and got easier day after day

It got the easiest, when that denial
was not effective anymore

they couldn’t deny me anymore

you can deny a painter, a writer,
an Islamic art specialist, a teacher

but you can’t deny all
of these together

of course It’s still possible,
but is much harder

Part13


I opened a painting class
after the cultural revolution

a friend told: “while you have nothing
to do, your students are the same.”

“open a class so they
can learn from you again.”

It was a good class, we started
with 6 students

but once It reached to 150

more than all painting students of
university of Tehran

It was a hard period for me

because I started a brand new career

I have a friend, who gave me a place
to hold the class

he found some place, and I rented It

he rented for me actually

and paid for next 6 months

and told me to pay him back
after 6 months

and I paid sooner

It was such a beautiful place
in Oskoo alley, Enghelab St.

next to Diana Cinema (Sepideh)

the class still stays on,
in somewhere else

that class became my
main income source

It was the tuition fee of the students

at that time I got divorced

then I met my next wife, Firoozeh

and we got married

and that marriage was so strange

because I had no money for
the ceremony and etc.

but somehow I reached the peace

my mother was still with me,
but I needed more support

-what year was that?-


-your second marriage-

and then my son was born on 1360

those years were so strange

among all of my skills,
teaching was the least

but I began my new
life with this skill

then I started graphic works

which was so needed

not only because It was an
income source, but also It was a way

to make my name not to get forgotten

not through holding exhibitions, nor
through selling artworks

but through painting on book covers

and It continued in other fileds

such as writing

I wrote my first article after
the revolution on the “Film Magazine”

and keep on painting more and more

but the class was so
important in a period


and It was really hard

two sessions, morning and afternoon,
and I put everything on teaching

history of art, painting,
everything about painting

traditional painting, water color,
oil color,gouache, pencil…

everything! I mean It

on those years It was kind of
a university Itself

and It was a good replace for
the closed universities

to remain these abilities

and don’t get destroyed

I had a room with a library

the house was in Niavaran St.

at the beginning of the semester
students paid their tuitions

cash

and the paper money was so small

at the end of the night

I brought the money out of the bag

and put them in certain rows


then counted them, and separated them
by marked papers

and looked at the rows

and I was like well I’ve worked and
It is my wage

once I was doing the same, and
my wife came in and saw me

I used to do It, when
everyone was asleep

she looked at me and said: “are you
counting money?” and I said yes

said:” why are you doing It yourself?
ask someone else to do It for you.”

well she couldn’t understand what was
happening during that action

I was touching my wage and feel It

separated and stored It

It was something special inside of me

later usual as all rumors and craps

about how rich I was

when I heard them I couldn’t say about
these story

but I laughed a lot in my heart

there was just a light bulb,
and rows of money

which I had earned by too much working

keeping the students who had no
interest in art,

and came to the class by
force of the parents

the ones who weren’t like this,
became great painters later

well the post-revolution period
had begun like this

with It’s all good and bad

in fact I didn’t see any disrespect

and I didn’t see any
special favor neither

and of course It was normal

and of course I should be thankful

New Entry 199

It’s nature of the revolution

I was equitable

and I am

but I always try to see
things correctly

because of my critical character

something began on those days and
never changed a lot during the time

and It was…

“denial”

although It was a great favor to me

but It hurt sometimes

I did different works, including those

since the revolution by now

New Entry 233

and that period passed like this

and got easier day after day

It got the easiest, when that denial
was not effective anymore

they couldn’t deny me anymore

you can deny a painter, a writer,
an Islamic art specialist, a teacher

but you can’t deny all
of these together

of course It’s still possible,
but is much harder

Part15


Then I got to the broken dishes

the bowls of Ilkhanid and Seljuki eras, with paintings on them

exploded and broken

I painted them by gouache and water colour

then I thought I have to make some large paintings

because the small paintings are overcome by the viewer

unlike the larger ones

I made some large paintings in size of 6 meters

but nowadays it is hard for me to work standing for a long time

then I started destroying them in some different ways

whenever I was on a bad mood, I used to cut them in pieces

I’ve made a painting which is now owned by Mohammad Ehsayi

I asked him to write a poem of Hafez’s

then I coppied it by a brush in a large size

and after all I ripped it by a knife

I make renaissance sideview portraits so well, with all details

However I do whatever I want to do to them

In some of them I draw the thorn

but these are the softer ones

but im my really bad times,
I show it by destroying the artwork directly

once I made a painting of Isfahan school, a young boy

with all details

I tried to burn it

I put it on the flames and it began to burn

suddenly Firoozeh and the children came and took it of me

because it was going to burn completely

and of course that artistic thing was completed at that moment

all that sadness, regret and self-harm

you know all these are self-harm

I mean when I was cutting that beautiful painting by knife

I was hurting myself in fact

the artwork was somehow my body and soul

and it happened so many times

I have burned a lot of my paintings

and framed them after burning

but the moment when it is happening,
the moment when you hit yourself by knife

that’s the insane and unrepeatable moment

as the knife touches your skin, something glorious happens

after it you will bandage the wound,
and before it nothing has happened yet

so all that artistic thing happens at that single moment

and if I frame the paintings it’s just to save and remind that moment

the unrepeatable moment

and the others will understand that someone hit himself,
that’s all

but all the meaning is in the moment of self-harm

I always think about suicide

and I believe the best way is
falling down from top of a building

to look down at the people walking like ants,
and then dive in the air

after hitting the ground
and explosion of body…

well it wouldn’t be a pleasent moment,
and that’s whyI’ve never done it

but I always think about the moment you are floating in the air

and how unrepeatable It would be

that moment, 30 seconds, 60 seconds… doesn’t matter

that is such a strange moment

how much free

this self-harm period still keeps going

I still do it sometimes, make a painting

then cut it in four pieces, and stick them together again

and again that’s at the moment
of cutting that something happens

these are not recommendations

this is not the way of painting I can recommend
or even say is a better way

but whatever it is, it’s something that is
happening inside of a man

destroying beautiful things

destroying values

actually this is why I know myself a painter of history

because I’m reporting a huge destruction

and I’m not a stranger reporter

because I’ve fixed the destroyed things

I’ve been involved with this destruction directly

virtually

so I might be one of the best reporters in this case

once I was buying one of my paintings in an auction,
there were some sticking plasters on it

someone told me this is a great painting,
but unfortunately it’s been repaired so badly

-was it your own painting?
-yes it was

it was cofiscated from someone’s house

and I asked one of my friends to buy it,
because I had no money

and we bought it at a cheap price,
because they thought what a pity that it’s been repaired badly

and then I thought he had used the correct phrase,

“Pity”

because the basic of all these, is “pity”

my mother use to watch me making paintings
and then destroying them

she always looked at me and said
“What a pity you do it with your artworks.”

and I answered: “yes, what a pity, but also what a pity your
beautiful face now is full of cracks…

…and I make cracks on these paintings in the representation of god..

…I’m telling the story.”

 

Part16

“the intercession of angels” collection
is included seven paintings

including humans who are suffering,
alongside a beautiful decorative object

so there is a kind of intercession in this suffering

this beauty is intervening their suffering

for example in one of them, there is a naked guy

with a bag covering his head

he is choking, but there is a beautiful angel on the bag

in another one there is a guy with thorns on his back

like he has been under torture

under his skin there is miniature,
and it has been always in there

that beauty, that perfection

is under his skin

after wounding that beauti has shown up

and again it intervens that suffering

and I never got back to this collection again

I usually do it

but not this time

“the notes of Malek garden” began from…

…a teaching

I used to take my students to the nature to draw it

and I used to paint alongside them

to show them how it should go

words are never enough

I sat on the ground I began painting

I like that period

not only because of its technical values

but also it is including a part of nature
that I did not chose by myself

why did I chose this part of this pool full of mud

or this wreckage room

the students asked me why do I chose these parts

and I just answered because it’s really beautiful

then I realized it feels beautiful because

it has the meaning same as
my internal hidden thoughts and feelings

but the point was there were something including that meaning

and I had to exctract it out

Michaelangelo said: ” Every block of stone
has a statue inside it, and it is
the task of the sculptor to discover it.”

and that meaning was hidden in
the wreckages of Malek garden

I had to sit to paint and show it

and then “proliferate of broken things” began

broken tiles, broken dishes

like they were falling from the sky

and their main meaning was falling

there were anxiety, falling…

Most of them had been broken before touching the ground

and after touching the ground there was nothing

one of the most famous is that teal bowl

which hast got broken after touching ground

this is the only one which shows the hitting moment

the rest all show the falling moment

but there will be hit coming for them

Mostly the renaissance paintings

in a collection named “Anno Apocalyose”

it means the year of apocalypse

I believe all these exploding objects

are warning a bigger disaster

an apocalypse

It’s not that important if I can show
this meaning in my works

I believe the disaster is not the certain accident

the disaster happens in us,
who are watching it

Apocalypse is in our watching

because life is short

Sometimes I think when the earth is exploding

the Apocalypse

I have an image of it

I am watching it from far away

like I’m on another planet

then I see everything is spreading away in the galaxy,

just like Antonioni’s movie, “Zabiriskie Point”

once I painted a large painting for
my friend, Sadegh Kharrazi

his father is an important religious man

he is Ayatollah

It might be one of the most pleasent
reactions about my artworks

Mr Kharrazi had my painting on his wall

Once his father saw the painting and
stayed in front of It for a while

then he started to saying parts of Quran
about the apocalypse

then said this is an image from galaxy

because the bowl was in the middle of picture,
but it’s parts were spreading away

I think I’m watching this explosion

and then I see the things are passing away flying

the head of Michaelangelo’s David

parts of paintings of Cappella Sistina

the tiles of Shah masque in Isfihan

all of these are spreading away and nothing stays at all

I don’t judge this moment

and don’t feel any sadness for it

sadness for what?

nothing is immortal

but I can’t refuse my wonder

apocalypse is when you see all of these passing you

“the year of fire and snow” had begun
in the begining of war

but all of these are including layers

I have tried not to make sloganeer paintings

they have words, but no slogans

these all refer to…

war

revolution

my own feelings

my reviews of old ages

these are more feelings

when a painter gets his own
meanings in his works

he can’t create different works anymore

he becomes his own mannerist

begins to repeat his works he has been succesful in

repeats his success

and this is not bad

Picasso wasn’t like this

but most of the artists were like this

Rothko, Pollock, Baken…

all of them had been repeating in their old ages

this is not bad

and I’m doing it these days

and enjoy it

whenever I repeat

like every time you eat a yummy food

Part17

Creating a work of art: Idea to performance

Some artists start their work using a predesigned pattern or ground, that is as artists say, they use studies. Some of them work on the theme which is in their mind in small sizes and dimensions, choosing what colors and combinations they want to use or what is the theme. However, some others work on an ad hoc basis. In other words, it is made on the spot. That is why they have access to nothing other than a general and vague ground. It is only during the process that change occurs. Some parts are added, some are rebuilt and added to it. So the completion of the work largely depends on their feeling at that specific moment. I actually belong to the first group. Maybe I do not know what exactly I am going to do. I refer to the references I have. I choose the samples I’d like to annihilate. And this is not only one sample but is a combined compilation. I start my job based on a general feeling and meaning. A general meaning whose limitations has been somehow clear during the last 30 years, i.e. it was clear what I was going to do. However, this is not a work that will not be changed until its completion. It will change. I add some parts, delete some parts. This change sometimes surprises me as well. I think to myself, “I did not have such an imagination from the beginning that the work will be completed this way.” Also, I do not prevent it. Anyway, a work of art is to record meaning. It records a general meaning and at same time it records that instant’s meaning. It’s a combination of the two. Therefore, I allow it to happen. In some of my works where a work goes through practical damage, the moment the damage takes place is very important. I previously mentioned this. Therefore, this moment is also added to the change which happens when the work is completed. Thus, most of the time I myself do not know what happens to the work. I refer to my feeling. This is unknown to me. When the work is completed, I understand that I couldn’t completely guess how it would be in the end.

I feel indebted to Boyouk Ahmari as my teacher. When he worked, we and some of his colleagues were around him. He was a very good painter. When he started to work, he did it passionately and enthusiastically. Watching him was enjoyable. He walked around his work, sat down, and stood up. Sometimes the work was completed, but he was so meticulous and did not leave it. We arranged with our friends that whenever his work was done, we did not let him continue. And he yelled and said that there was a lot left to do, but we insisted that it was done. However, I myself dealt with this problem many times, that is when a work was completed, I tried to fill it.

I worked a lot with watercolor. I like watercolor, it gives a feeling of immediacy. It gives a feeling of spontaneity which is very beautiful to me. When you leave a stain, it can no longer be fixed. This is it. Thus, there is a special challenge in working with watercolor. If it is damaged and you make a mistake, it is not like oil paint that can be easily fixed. It cannot be fixed at all. Because as you try to fix watercolor, you add one color upon the other and the work looks darker and dustier. But for the time being, I sometimes like to use watercolor. Sometimes when I draw some precise and meticulous works, it is pleasant to me to draw a bunch of flowers in a vase. And I do it very quickly and easily and I enjoy it. I’ve always worked with oil paint. I’ve mostly worked with gouache for the last thirty years. Gouache is a very difficult and complex tool. Acrylic is way simpler than gouache. Gouache is so challenging. When working with gouache and the base color is put, if the brush strokes on this base color are a lot, the next color you want to use on it will show those strokes. The colors will be mixed. It is not like acrylic or oil paint which gets dried. Maybe the simplest painting tool is oil paint, because it takes time to get dried. Thus, you have enough time to do all the exquisite stuff like blurring or adding the color spectrum. Oil paint takes some 24 hours to get dried, therefore it gives you time. However, gouache is not similar to this and is very difficult. Among the art students I taught, only a few can work with gouache very well. 

Gouache cannot be applied on canvas. So it is necessary to apply it on cardboard. I am convenient to work with a kind of cardboard that fit colors. Sometimes it is found in Iran, at Tehran. However, my desired cardboard density is not necessarily always available in the market. Its name is Archeg. Whenever I go abroad, I bring in a lot of cardboard. I have so many of them now that if I live for 150 years, it would suffice. I am so greedy and this greed is the heritage of post-evolution era when there were no colors available in the country. I sold a painting, someone bought it from me. Then I told him not to pay me, instead come with me to buy painting equipment. He accepted. I bought so many equipment. It was not a bad idea since I still use some of them. It was really interesting to me to find out that after about 35 years, oil paint can remain as fresh as before and does not get dried in its tube. It was so interesting.

For the last 5-6 years, I haven’t worked with oil paint. It was a special feeling and I lacked the smell of it in my nostrils. That is why I worked on some very big polyptych paintings using oil paint. I also worked on Triptych paintings with the height of 2 meters and the length of 6 meters. I enjoyed a lot. I discovered oil paint once more.  To me there are two problems regarding oil paint. First of all, it needs a lot of space. When you work in big sizes, you need enough space and I don’t have enough room for a 6-meter painting. And I painted that 6-meter painting in my friends’ workshops. The second problem is that working with oil paint is very messy. Any painter who paints with oil paint uses a vast area ranging from colors and brushes to petrol and different solvents. I am obsessive. I am similar to old miniaturists whose entire working place was limited to a cardboard and their knee. There is the painting of Reza Abbasi painted by his student Moein Mosavar which portrays him while he’s put his painting on his knee and is painting. I am on a border between these two. And I work so meticulously and precisely. I do not make a mess at all. All my brushes and colors have a specific place. When I open gouaches, I instantly close them. This actually is an economical aspect from early childhood. I did not have that much money to dry my gouaches or let them dry. However, I do not work with oil paint lately, because I must stand up most of the time and paint. And now working like this is difficult for me, since my legs and shoulder hurt. For the upper parts of the painting, I had to stand up and raise my hand and that led to arthritis. I can no longer raise my hand so much. It definitely hurts. That is why I paint using my desk and do not occupy a lot of space. I work in a very meticulous, neat and disciplined manner. I am such a painter. My ancestors were Iran’s old miniaturists.

I never get inspired by the outside atmosphere. I usually do not paint portraits. I am neither a landscape nor a portrait painter. But, I have painted some portraits in my life who belonged to the people I loved. But, I have not used the nature as a source of inspiration. However, sometime in the 1360s I painted part of a garden. Malek Garden in Golabdareh. But it was only a period and I never get back to it.

-Do you name your paintings?

Yes, always.

-when do you name them? before or after completion?

In fact, during the process. I actually know it goes under which category of my works. But, I think I choose that exact name during the painting process. I often write while painting. I have a problem. When I start a job and have my design and color it, after a little bit of progress, I think it is not good and is ruined. It makes me sad. Although I know it happens every time, it is stressing each time and does not make much of a difference. Then, I gradually think that I can fix it. Sometimes I tell myself tongue-in-cheek, “because paper is expensive.” I cannot tear my paper like the sensational painters of the 19th century. I keep up the work so that I can reach somewhere. But the fact that I hesitate in the middle of the way is so true and it surely happens. I think that this part is not true at all or is not in congruence with other parts. But, I find a solution every time and change it. I change it a lot. When the audience sees my paintings, they believe that everything has precisely been calculated. It is somehow true but 60% of the changes occur during the painting process. It cannot remain unchanged.  The painter’s hand and mind is always in search of a better solution. Sometimes some of my friends transmit it to their past works. Even their feeling at that moment which needs change is applied on a painting they have previously signed.  I always said at university and even to my friends not to change their works so much and let it be changed at that moment. Because after some years pass by, the work is the record of the meaning of that era of your life. You cannot edit history.

 

I work as a painter and my profession is painting. My essemce is painting. Wherever I want to introduce myself, I introduce myself as a painter. But I have not been a full-time painter. One of the reasons is that I have dedicated my time to different tasks. Sometimes restoration becomes so extensive and important which replaces painting. In other words, when I must paint, I do restoration. It gives me the same enjoyment. Recently, I even sign some of my own restorations. In fact, this is a situation. There were and are some painters who paint constantly morning to night. Some painters must find that feeling to paint. As foreigners say, they must be in the mood to do it. I say they must be in the air of painting. In my case, it is not constant. Sometimes, I feel like painting, sometimes not. when I am in the mood of it, I follow it enthusiastically and do not waste my time. For, I know that this present feeling will disappear soon and I don’t know when it returns. It occurred that I did not have this feeling for a long time. And when people asked me to paint, I said I am not in the mood of it. And they said what happens to us then? I told them to wait as I wait, the feeling would pop up. After my exhibition was finished, I hadn’t painted for five months and I just wrote. I was writing my memories. I just wrote. I’ve painted 11 paintings in 4 months. I worked day and night. I woke up early in the mornings and started painting until I was done. When it finished, the feeling also went away. And in the next six months, I did not paint even one painting. I cannot work by force. I cannot work under pressure.