Mehrdad Mohebali
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Part 01
I think my story
began like this, I don’t even remember
I was told that I was born on January 22, 1960
We are four siblings; two
sisters and one brother
I’m the last child;
me and my twin sister
As far as I know, back then
toys were not common like
today, there was an
affluent boy living in our neighborhood
He had only one of those small toy cars
which today’s kids won’t even accept
as toys anymore. We used to create toys
mostly in our imagination. I think our generation
understands this very well.
Mostly probably I was creating a toy
with my pencils and papers;
which my family saw as an interest in painting
I was lucky that an aged tutor Ali Eshraqi, a student of
Kamalolmolk, had an studio near our house
He used to live alone, spending the day
in the studio and the night at his home
I was 5-6 years old when I first was sent there
It was very scary, like scenes in the old scary movies
with spider webs were hanging on
walls like a curtain. He had no time
to clean the house
but he was a decent person
for one year, I was his one and only pupil.
Even in winter we were alone
there was a small valor warmer, which
I used for warming my hand quickly while practicing
Our relatives used to simply greet my
siblings but they used to hold my hand
and ask me about my new works
I had something special to talk about
I think this was the most effective support for
me at that age even more than my parents’ support
Although it were my parents
who prepared the infrastructure for me
but that special treatment I got and having something
special to talk about was a great motivation for me
I was responsible for
the groceries, including the bread
It was very common thing those days
my classmates also used to do it.
bakers used to give me a piece of paper
to cover my hands against the heat
I used to prefer to tolerate the heat
whenever it was a foreign magazine
One night I had bought bread for dinner
When I reached home I took a look at the
paper and I was like yes it’s a painting
fantastic paintings. My father knew a
little French and the paper was in French
I asked my father to read the paper
for me…Let’s take a flashback
in Ali Eshraghi’s class
Picasso was the worst offensive word
It was such an embarrassment, when a person
was ironically called Picasso in class
I, who was a good student, had also learnt
to call others Picasso one way or another
it was the equivalent of silly.
I didn’t know better
let’s return to that night…I gave it to
my father and he started to read the captions
Picasso has drawn this
the portrait of his father, when he was 8
I collapsed…I asked how about this
one…he said this is a religious ceremony
by Picasso when he was 12 or something like
this… I thought his French must not be good…
I was confused. Creating a work
like Picasso was a dream for them
and he had done it at when he was
the paper had four pages
I looked at the other pages that had Picassos’
later works…my father said the same thing
…I clearly remember this
image…I was hitting my father
I couldn’t take it…that I
a small boy who had gained credit
and could use offensive words and the bad word was Picasso…and
now he saw marvelous artworks, drawn by Picasso
My father was the only person at hand…
and I repeatedly hit him
It was not common in our family…but it was more
than what I could take and I couldn’t help it
I was crying…I became sick for
three days and I couldn’t go to school
How did your father react?
He was patient…I remember he was calm and
did not stop me I think he didn’t know why
But he could understand that I was holding a grudge,
so he let me release it. He was that kind of person
On the third day I called my
tutor and later I visited him
I took the paper with me
He knew French too,
I said yes this is done at the age of
and then I turned the paper and
said this was drawn last year
and this one is done seven years
ago (he was alive at the time)
I put the paper aside,
I said teacher, how is it possible
that a person creates such
great works in childhood
and his works are so awful as an adult
He calmly answered my
question for hours, but I
could not even understand
one single word of it
Maybe it was beyond a kids’ comprehension
But it was the last time I went there
Now I think it wouldn’t have been crazy if I had
decided to completely forget about painting
but it was the opposite…I made the opposite
reaction. I devoted myself to painting
but I used to imitate other works, which I
used to find in libraries or other places
It was not an act of
creation all from my imagination
I used to think the highest achievement for a
painter was to draw something and sell it
I was drawing or painting
all the time using any
medium at hand…I did
not know how to do this
I vividly remember that
for a couple of years I had
a painting in watercolor
which I really liked
and oil color was the only
medium I had learnt to use
I put much effort to create a similar
work but it never worked
I didn’t know that it was something else
Working without a tutor was against
my own good
But on the other hand, it was
an advantage for me sometimes
I had no option but to learn everything
by myself without asking a tutor
who could have given me the very correct
answer among thousands of possible answers
I was lost among
thousands of answers,
wasting my time trying
to find the right one
but I had learnt that
I would find the answer
I was mostly using cheap pigments,
those used for buildings
I used to buy these while I had
no idea that these two cannot be mixed
and I used to mix them…
It was demanding…
later I heard that one type of paint can be
kind of mixed if you keep mixing them
and I had grown muscles on my arms
and in fact they are not dissolved
but they are completely
mixed with each other
I didn’t know this…I was just wondering
why this blue is making everything worst
My father was an accountant,
a low-rank clerk
Due to his experience he
sometimes used get promoted
supervising three or four people my
mother stopped studying at the ninth level
They were both calm people…
and my mother is who is still alive
We had the opportunity to speak
They used to judge but later
and I used to compare repeatedly
telling myself that how lucky I was
We had the opportunity to select I have a
very good example I was 15-16 years old,
the age that when you are
interested in doing things
without getting
permission especially illegally
I was walking in the street when
I came across a boy with a rough look
He was recently released from the
prison and he had marks on his head
he asked me for a lighter and
started to nag about his
matches and this way he
started the conversation
He said he was 25, formerly a bank clerk
he was in jail for two years
and he was not guilty
and it was attractive for me
The idea of telling the story to
my friends that I have befriended
a 25-year-old boy who has
been a thief or he was in jail
The enthusiasm of learning about a criminal
act had preoccupied my mind
Exactly on the day that I met
him, his name was Ali,
we discussed about some
issues then he followed me
I had no feeling that I better not to
show him where my house is located
I asked her to wait outside the house as
I wanted to take care of something inside
but I had a feeling like he
is 10 years older than me in
my mind I was thinking to
invite him inside. I did so.
The door between my room and the living
room was opened and my mother saw him
He was in our house for ten minutes.
when he
left my mother told me
Mehrdad we need to talk
She said this person seemed
to be different from us
but you have made a choice most probably
with a reason you don’t need to explain
but the home belongs to all of us
Never invite him inside
but outside the home
is your place do whatever you want
there with your own responsibility
She said it very calmly.
I thought for a while and
I concluded that I did not like
to be seen with this
guy in the street and I
don’t want to have such
a friend and
I was forced to stop this
friendship all by myself.
We were a middle-class family and
our expectations were not high
but I think if we had
high expectations we could
not afford it We used to
prioritize our demands
The only thing I wanted to
have was a bicycle
I told my father and he
said he would buy it if
I get good grades,
I was in junior high school
I finished the year with good grades…
I showed my scoresheet to my father
and he praised me
I said you had promised me…
He said what was it and I said a bicycle
He said, did I say I would by a bicycle?
Ok I would think about
I said you had made
your thoughts…
After half an hour,
he said let’s go to the bedroom
He said you are right I promised you
I don’t know what to do
because it just popped out back then
Do you have any solution for me
so that I won’t buy a bicycle
He was trying to change it with
something else I asked why.
He said our house was not big enough
for riding a bicycle so you
need to play in street and
I don’t feel good about it
I’m thinking what if
he has an accident…
and I can’t do this
Ask me for something else…just help me
I left the room and then
I kissed my father
I said I received my gift…
They had nurtured me
He gave us the opportunity to understand
and we had the chance to understand him
I feel very very good about those years
I feel good about it because
it helps me now
Junior high school program was started when
I was to start the sixth grade
We were always older than the
other students in junior high school
Three years of junior high
school were passed at the third
year authorities allowed
that students with A grade
to get two diplomas simultaneously
I was also offered to
go do the same thing…
along with a number of my friends They
were top students but I was not
I knew how to answer questions at exams,
either by studying on the night of the exam or by cheating
‘Jaame’ high school was of those new
schools and it was located near our house
Later its name was changed to ‘Jaame
Mortazavi Borazjani’ located in
Dolat street near Qanat crossroad
It was a newly-built school,
very big in size and
teachers were fantastic They
had literally gathered all
the top teachers
The idea of building such a school
was put forward by Ms. Parsa,
Minister of Education, after she
visited a similar school in Switzerland
Mr Abbassi was a member
of the founding team.
He was the principal of the school
and also taught Trigonometry
Later, Mr Sartipzadeh
became the headmaster,
who was also a decent person.
most of our years in high school
was spent under his
supervision.
I chose architecture…There
were four majors…I was
studying Sciences and
Architecture at the same time
Because Architecture was more
creative and I had a history in painting
I was motivated…I had no idea that
I might end up being a painter one day
I was just having a good time painting
At the third year, we were required
to get the map of our neighborhood
and mark suitable locations
for building schools
And there were some
rules…like there must be
at least 1.5 km distance
between each school.
We use to find and mark the land
My classmate could not go
for the same piece of land
We had to design everything
even the chair in the library
It was a heavy project that is not
included even in university programs today
When I was 16, I designed a villa in
The North, which was constructed
and the high school was mixed…
which I also consider as a luck for me
We used to get along well…
But it was not the same for students
who joined us at higher grades
This has been asked repeatedly,
Did anything wrong happened in the school?
here were students coming
from religious families
but nothing happened…never
Of course the management was in control
but not by being strict. My high school years
were spend like this but the final year
coincided with riots before the Revolution
Many of these new high
schools were closed
We were about 50 to 60 students who were
supposed to get a diploma for the second major
Education authorities,
in 1976 winter, said
we cannot pass new rules
for only 50 students
asking us to go for either architecture
or sciences; only one of them
Gradually I came to the point that
I was going to be an architect in the future
therefore I chose architecture…
though my family used to encourage me
to go for sciences saying that
you will have more options
My brother was studying
medical sciences and one
of my sisters was about
to become a psychologist
They all studied sciences
but I had other dreams
I was told that I would not
be able to pass the university
entrance exam with a
diploma in architecture.
This left me high and dry
I had developed an interest in architecture
all these years and they took it from me
I could not get along with sciences, nor
could I enter the university with architecture
So I had to forget about architecture and
continue my higher education
with a major in sciences
Minerology